John Kiriakou
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We paid those guys $108 million to say, oh, we think you should torture people.
Here are the torture techniques.
Just let us know when you want us to start.
And so we thought, well, we've already spent the money and we really do want revenge on these guys.
I think that's what it was.
So how did you get in trouble?
I waited for somebody to say something about torture and nobody did.
And then I got divorced.
My kids moved with my ex-wife to Ohio and they were little, they needed their dad.
So I decided I'm gonna leave the agency, go into the private sector so I can see my boys on the weekends.
And still I waited for somebody to say something and nobody did.
Now, I wish that I could tell you
that I stood up and I took a stand, and that wasn't it at all.
I got a call in December of 2007.
So now I'm out of the agency three and a half years.
I got a call from Brian Ross at ABC News.