John Kiriakou

And he goes, we're going to start getting rough with these guys like that.

And I said, what's that mean?

So he describes these 10 techniques.

And I said, I don't know, man, that sounds like a torture program.

And he said, it's not a torture program.

We got it cleared by the Justice Department and the president signed it.

He says, think about it.

I said, yeah, give me an hour.

I need an hour to think about it.

I walked out of the cafeteria.

I went up to the seventh floor, which is the executive floor.

And there was a very, very senior officer up there for whom I had worked 10 years earlier in the Middle East, knocked on his door, no appointment or anything.

And I said, hey, I need some advice.

I was just asked if I wanted to be trained in these enhanced interrogation techniques.

What do you think of that?

And he said, first of all, let's call a spade a spade.

He said, this is a torture program.

They can use whatever euphemism they want, but this is a torture program and torture is a slippery slope.

He said, you know how these guys are.

Somebody's going to be a cowboy.