John Lisle

So after a certain period of time, they start thinking to themselves, maybe I am being hypnotized.

Like the things that he's saying are actually happening.

And so if you can make them think that they've been hypnotized, again, that lowers their resistance because, I mean, who could blame me for talking now?

I've been hypnotized.

I couldn't help myself but talk.

At least that's the idea.

You kind of get this impression by looking at some of these MKUltra documents, especially at the beginning before the Frank Olson incident.

Frank Olson eventually dies after one of these experiments.

And so that kind of that definitely puts a damper on a lot of things that are going on.

Before that, though, I do get the sense that.

It's almost like they're a bunch of guys just trying to, you know, play around with each other in a way, even though what they're doing is completely unethical.

But they would just be dosing like the CIA coffee pot and see what happens to people who are taking drinks of it.

I mean, the rationale is that, well, if the Soviets possess some kind of hallucinogenic drug and they were going to release it into the water supply of a city, we need to know how people would react to that because we need to know how to defend against that.

Therefore, we should be doing that to people just to see how they react to it so that we know what kind of signs to look for in case the Soviets do that.

Didn't they dose up a town in France?

I don't think the CIA was connected to that.

I mean, I think it actually was like an ergot poisoning that...

Oh, was it?

I think so.

But there was some speculation that it was purposeful.