John Luke

Read it again, John Luke.

Okay, so here's how it starts.

Lewis explains that we need not suppose that the necessity for something analogous to self-conquest will ever be ended in heaven or that eternal life will not also be eternal dying.

Oh, I've got it.

Then he says, as there may be pleasures in hell God shields us from, there may be something not unlike pain in heaven that God may grant us.

What he's saying is that heaven and hell aren't,

what Lewis thinks is that heaven and hell aren't like a ceasing of what we would think of as like everyday life.

Humanity.

Humanity.

Whenever heaven becomes, we know we'll work.

We know there's animals.

We know there's walls.

We know there's some sort of economy.

there's kings, there's rulers, like there's all these things that we experience in everyday life.

And so there might be pain in a way that is good that we don't fully understand in the same way those shut out of heaven

are also living whatever their version of day-to-day life is.

And some of those might be pleasure in like a self-centered way that is ultimately harmful to them.

No, that's actually what I was going to say is I think he makes it distinguish between pain as evil when he's talking about heaven as in pain as in the continuation of us growing towards God or moving towards God.

And he gives an example, and I can't remember which one this is.

It might have been mere Christianity.