John Luke

So essentially how... I don't think Lewis was making a like, this is what it is statement.

I think he was using the book as an analogy.

So...

Don't take this as like this.

He literally thought this, but this is how he sets it up in the great divorce.

You've got God on this like mountaintop.

And the closer you get to God, kind of the more like real things get.

So you've got God on one side and everyone in heaven is moving towards God as like a final point.

On the opposite side of the country, if you will, you've got what he describes as like hell, which is kind of like the Sheol idea, shadowy place.

And...

The people are living there, but they don't have God, and they're kind of just all self-centered.

And the more self-centered they get, the further away they get from God.

And so you've got God on one side, and then you've got those in hell moving away from that.

And as they go away, they become less substantial until eventually over time,

thousands of years, an indefinite period of time, eventually they just kind of fade away and disappear.

And then he also said about pain in heaven.

I've got the quote.

The quote was that there may be pleasures in hell that God shields us from, and there also might be pain in heaven that God grants to us.

Meaning, well, that's the quote.

I actually don't know what that means.