Ep 1279 | Our Culture’s Biggest Lie About Spirituality
episodePreviously titled “Ep 1279 | Jesus & Satan Aren’t Exactly Opposites & Our Culture’s Biggest Lie About Spirituality” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 3, 2026
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What does the arm wrestling meme between Jesus and Satan represent?
I am unashamed. What about you?
Have you all seen those memes?
Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, you do.
Why is Satan not considered Jesus' equal?
Oh, yeah. It's like this chasm. Like bowed up Jesus and Satan. And there's like an American eagle.
What can we learn from Jesus' temptation in the wilderness?
There's like an eagle in the back. It's so non-legitimate. That's dualism. Jesus Insane Mom Wrestling. Are you ready? Count us down, Matty.
How does Plato's dilemma relate to the concept of good?
I thought that was it. Are we going?
Well, this counter's going. Oh, I didn't know the counter was going.
Me and John, we're talking about last episode when I talked about that, the meme of Satan and Jesus arm wrestling.
In what ways is heaven not the opposite of hell?
And we were talking about kind of doing a visual representation of that to start the podcast. But the problem we run into is one of us has to be Satan to make that work. And we both don't want to do that. So we're not going to do it.
But the question is who would win?
Yeah.
What are C.S. Lewis' views on annihilation and eternal torment?
I think Christian has to be Jesus. God always wins.
If we're going to go for who the strongest looking person is at this table, we better make Christian Jesus.
They're not equal. That's our whole point.
Can there be pain in heaven according to Christian theology?
Then it could
Good work.
Remember, this is the man that said he's, for every romantic holiday for the last decade, he's been reading books.
That doesn't help you in the arm wrestling.
But the last seven, he just buys one for himself. He would destroy you in Dungeons and Dragons, but you got him in arm wrestling. Yes, yes, yes.
I would. In the intellectual, he would destroy me.
In the physical, I would beat him.
How does bureaucracy illustrate the nature of evil?
Do you play Dungeons and Dragons, by the way? Yeah. Aren't you into that? You're into that kind of stuff, right? Yeah.
I did.
I did play a lot of that. Are you not into that kind of stuff? I've never done it. I mean, I'll tell you when I got interested was when I watched, what was the show? Stranger Things. Yeah. And so then I was like, okay, I mean, maybe I could have got into, I don't know. I like Risk. I like games like Monopoly. I don't know. We never played that. You would actually like it. You would actually like it.
We played a lot of games when we were kids, but we never played that one.
But, uh,
But I don't know that I ever knew anybody that did.
Oh, I think, Al, you would love it. You would love it.
Yeah, you would like it. Because it's like storytelling, right?
Yeah.
Isn't there a movie about Dungeons & Dragons?
Yeah, there is. Is it good? It's really good. The Chris Pine one? Yeah. You like it? It's super good. Really? It was exactly like Dungeons & Dragons. Really? I saw the trailer. I never saw it. No, you should watch it. You like it? It's really funny, and it's exactly what Dungeons & Dragons is like playing it. Interesting. Yeah.
What a blessing for you, though, to grow up in this time. I mean, if you would have grown up, you know, my era, that was like, to be someone who played Dungeons and Dragons, they called them nerds. And that was like, but now nerds are like the thing. I mean, that's like the, they're the superstars now.
Well, of course they created all the technology.
Yeah.
Now, of course.
They won.
The jocks lost and the nerds won.
You know what I call it, Zach? Revenge of the nerds. That's right. That was a big movie back in the 80s. See, I think they had a couple of them, didn't they? Revenge of the nerds. So you win, John Luke. Maybe we turn around, maybe you're Jesus then and you have to be Satan. Okay. Sorry, man. We have to go with that. Luckily, we're not dualists. Yeah.
Luckily, we're not dualists.
Yeah. Dual. Dual, too. Right? So the idea is that there are two equal and independent powers at the back of everything. One of them good, the other bad, and that the universe is the battlefield in which they fight an endless war, which what it means is there's no real victory in the end. It's like these things eternally exist, and it's almost like the yin and the yang. It's like... Just holding up reality itself is the tension itself. But as Dr. Ward said, that's not Christianity. So Christian, you are no longer identifying as a dualist anymore, correct? I am not. Yep. I am not a dualist. Welcome back to Unashamed. That was an interesting introduction there. We're doing our Unashamed for Hillsdale Fridays.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What does the arm wrestling meme between Jesus and Satan represent?
0:01–0:12
2
Why is Satan not considered Jesus' equal?
0:12–0:19
3
What can we learn from Jesus' temptation in the wilderness?
0:19–0:29
4
How does Plato's dilemma relate to the concept of good?
0:29–0:46
5
In what ways is heaven not the opposite of hell?
0:46–1:01
6
What are C.S. Lewis' views on annihilation and eternal torment?
1:01–1:17
7
Can there be pain in heaven according to Christian theology?
1:17–1:40
8
How does bureaucracy illustrate the nature of evil?
1:40–50:47
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