John Oehser

Well, it's remarkable.

And, you know, as you do this, being around the NFL for a long, long time, you get an appreciation as time goes by of how much structure and belief matter around an organization.

And I think that, you know, everything else, Trevor's development, all the stuff on the field has stemmed from the fact that very quickly you realize that between Tony Buscelli and James Gladstone and Liam Cohen and no particular order there, that there was going to be structure.

there was going to be doing things the right way.

And above all, Brian, the players were going to, over time, believe strongly in the direction.

And I think that's why you have the feeling that you have all the other stuff, but I think it started there.

And by the way, it introduced the football world to Tony Vasselli.

Yeah.

And so, but...

You're right.

If we're going back memory lane, the Clyde Simmons play for people who weren't alive or following it back then, the Jaguars had this perception, I think even those who followed us, of having sort of be the cute little team that got into the playoffs because Morton Anderson missed.

But you really didn't know that they could go and beat the Bills.

Everybody talks about the Denver game.

The Buffalo game, obviously, you don't get to the Denver game without that.

It was almost as big.

I mean, and when they had scored, and I'm sitting there taking notes going, okay, well, I'm right in the loss.

And all of a sudden, Clyde picks it and goes all the way, and it's never –

It's never a one-sided game from that point.

Clyde Simmons sort of made the nation know that the Jaguars could do something special.

And Clyde, a great guy, great locker room guy, always enjoyed him.