John R. Miles

I got this from talking to General Stan McChrystal and Keith Crotch, the former CEO of DocuSign.

And we were talking about eyes on, hands off leadership.

And to me, that whole concept, eyes on, hands off, is what really defines someone who is gardening their people.

That the way they work

with eyes on is that they give them instructions enough so that they can flourish, but then they're hands off because someone who's micromanaged isn't going to flourish.

But if you give them the right ingredients, they are.

Does that analogy relate to you?

Dan, I've heard that several professional sports teams have started reading my book

And in chapter 12, I wrote this whole chapter on Gardner leadership.

Oh, that's so cool.

Hopefully there's some connection there between the two.

I know Jim Murphy, who wrote Inter Excellence, was taking my book to some of the teams that he works with.

And also golf coach Sean Foley uses it with golfers he coaches.

So maybe the ideas are expanding.

Dan, I want to take this whole concept that we've been having and now take it to one of the groups that you've worked with closely, which is Navy Special Warfare, or SEAL teams as many people know them.

I myself didn't go to BUDS.

I had hoped I could have gone to BUDS, but I got injured my senior year at the Naval Academy playing rugby.

My father is actually UDT class of 16, so he preceded me, which made me want to do it.

But I ended up serving the National Security Agency, and I got really lucky because at the academy, we have sponsor families, and my sponsor dad ended up getting promoted at NSA.

In fact, he was the top civilian leader at the National Security Agency.