John R. Miles

I love that.

And I was recently interviewing Rebecca Neuberger Goldstein, whose episode was two days ago, in fact, who wrote another great book that has recently come out called The Mattering Instinct.

The things that you were describing, she refers to as mattering projects.

And she was saying when people don't have that mattering project, that's when they typically tune out.

And I also liked your definition that you gave for these communities where this stuff is absent because that's where this whole concept of anti-mattering that Gordon Flett came up with really takes hold.

When people in these communities experience anti-mattering or what's happening to presence at the neurological and social level,

They do self-reliance, they perform competence, and they psychologically withdraw.

And that's what's happening to so many communities around us.

It's the self-silencing.

I mean, the psychological withdrawal that we're seeing, which then leads to other things that you were talking about, loneliness, people feeling burned out, the disengagement that we're seeing across companies.

Helplessness and all the other things that we think are just symptoms, we're treating them as independent epidemics.

However, I believe they're all interrelated.

What you and I are both talking about here

Speaking of the Patriots, I just have to digress here just for a second.

I was completely blown away that Bill Belichick didn't get into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot.

That to me was, wow, crazy, right?

Crazy, right?

Crazy.

That stuff absolutely does matter, doesn't it?

I live here in Tampa Bay, Florida.