John R. Miles

Yep.

Can you go into that a little bit more?

Why does that distraction feel like relief but function like erosion?

It is such an issue.

And one of the questions that I get all the time, I've got two kids now who are 21 and 27.

I've got another similar to your kids.

I have another niece who's in the army right now, and they are constantly asking me, what should we study?

What should we focus on?

Because they're all so worried about getting replaced by doctors.

all the technology and everything that's around them.

For kids that are facing that, even your own kids, what advice do you give them?

Last week, I had the opportunity for the first time to interview Mark Nepo, and he said something that stayed with me.

I asked him what he thought was the most fundamental thing that we need to focus on in life, and he said it was love, but he described love not as emotion or romance, but as the act of showing up fully to what's in front of you, holding nothing back.

Right.

How do you contrast that with

the modern love depression that you write about?

I want to switch directions just for a second.

Last week, I also did a fun conversation.

I had Rick Hansen on with Joshua Green, who you might know from Harvard.

And we were talking about how do you expand the circle of moral concern?