John R. Miles

How does this idea of perspective show up in everyday life that a lot of people don't understand?

Yeah, man, I can't tell you how many drafts of chapters I end up throwing out.

Yeah, I've recently been trying to get a hold of Angela Duckworth, basically to try to get her permission to include parts of her interview in this new book.

And it's been impossible to get in touch with her.

And where I'm going with this is her assistant said, well, she's in a writing dungeon as she's working on her next book.

What dungeon?

If you ask my wife, that's what she would say.

She hates when I work on books because if I get in the flow state, which takes me a little bit to get into as I'm writing, but if I am there, man, hours can go by.

And to me, it feels like it's five minutes.

It is crazy.

Well, when you were talking about these books,

bestselling authors, one that you and I both know is Susan Cain, and you were lucky enough to even be on her podcast.

When I think of her book, Quiet, which sold something like 20 million plus copies, having to follow that up with another book that then outperforms the first one, or I think of James Clear, if he would ever write a second book, the amount of pressure that you would put yourself under

put on yourself to try to duplicate the past performance has got to be just immense.

Well, I think one thing she does exceptionally well is Susan does a ton of research before she does anything.

And I think she internalizes a lot of it.

So she is very good at picking out

cultural moments where big things people are feeling that aren't being explored.

And at least for me, quiet was a wake up call because I was this introvert in Fortune 500 companies in a very extrovert world.

And I kept wondering,