John R. Miles

kayak to help bring awareness to suicide in veterans who would do all these things, but so much of us don't have that opportunity that he did.

How can more of us shift our horizons?

Mark, it has been such a profound honor to speak with you today.

If you could leave one thing for listeners to carry with them as they're entering the fifth season, what do you hope they will finally release?

Mark, thank you so much for joining us today on Passion Struck.

I know this will be a fan favorite.

Thank you so much for everything you have done for so many people throughout these 27 books of knowledge that you have put out in the world, which I know as you were writing them, I know you hoped that they would touch people, but you probably never in a million years thought they would touch as many people as they have.

That's a wrap on today's conversation with Mark Nepo.

What stood out to me most from today's episode is his definition of surrender.

Not as giving up, but as cooperating with truth.

It's the realization that we don't need to bend life to our will.

We just need to inhabit the life that is already here.

When we stop fighting the current and start swimming with it, we don't just find ease, we find aliveness.

But that brings the next structural challenge.

How do we know what is actually true?

In an age of misinformation and divided minds, how do we distinguish between our own intuition and the knowledge that we've been fed?

That's exactly what we explore next.

In our upcoming episode next Tuesday, I'm joined by Steve Sloman.

Steve is a cognitive scientist and author of The Knowledge Illusion.

We're going to deconstruct the boundary of the mind, exploring why we think we know more than we do and how the illusion of knowledge can actually prevent us from finding true meaning.