John R. Miles

We have so many adults who don't feel like they matter.

So that's what they're passing down to their kids.

It's like the immune response is absent.

It's getting worse and worse because this keeps getting passed down from one generation to the next.

And what you said about these ripples of kindness or ripples of mattering, to me, that's how you restore it.

And it takes each one of us showing up differently in our interpersonal relationships and our communities to change this.

So thank you for bringing that up.

I'll send you a copy.

So I know we have to wrap this up.

I had just a few more questions.

So the first is, what do you hope women who are listening to this get out of this conversation?

What do you want them to learn from this?

Okay.

And on the other side of this, what would you want male leaders to understand after listening to this?

And sir, one of the reasons I wanted to have you on the show is I think conversations like this can actually shift culture, not just policy.

So my final question for you is when you look back on this chapter of your life, what do you think it taught you?

We've talked a lot about agency, but also your own sense of worth and what would you want the next generation to internalize from your example?

Sarah, thank you so much for joining us today on PassionStruck.

I know it was a very vulnerable conversation for you, and I'm just glad we can get this out into the world.

That's a wrap on today's conversation with Sarah Jacobs.