John Regalado

It's been very reliably conservative Christian in a flavor that is not James Tallarico.

So it's kind of TBD in my mind, if he's getting as much traction as we think.

Something I'm curious though, hearing more from you, he's kind of pointing out, and we're on social media, Jubilee is social media.

Jubilee certainly plays in the arena of politics and political conflict and

But Tallarica is making this argument that, look, these billionaires who run these algorithms, run these platforms, Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Ellison, I don't know how much influence they truly have on these algorithms, but he's saying they want us to be divided so that they can keep holding power.

Do you buy that argument?

Do you share kind of that criticism towards the rich that James is...

What I do agree with is if you have a certain things for itself to a certain degree.

Right.

And I guess the only thing I would say, though, that really supports his argument is there might be economic incentives.

So, for example, Mark Zuckerberg famously kind of dictated that –

he sort of aligned Facebook's goals to optimize user sessions as long as possible.

We want people to be on Facebook as long as possible.

And this was kind of back in 2016.

And so just that economic incentive of like, we want to capture as much attention as we can.

And that's the algorithm's job.

The algorithm then discovered on its own in a certain way that harnessing outrage or feeding people more content, that kind of, uh,

aggravated their political sensibilities was the best way to achieve that.

So sort of an unintended consequence.

Something I'm curious about from you, you know, after sitting across from Tallarico, did he win you over?