John Regalado

Right, right.

Okay, I'm going to pull up this next clip because I'm going to dig into this with you because this is what's most interesting.

This is one of the most interesting things you said, and it's at the very end of the episode.

and convicted argument to not vote.

But I hear this intellectual engagement with where we're at and what could be done and what could change.

And there's a contradiction there, is there not?

Choosing not to vote, but still kind of being so engaged and so in tune with the trajectory of our political system.

Why not yes and, though?

I mean, everything you said about people being more involved in their communities is so valid.

And people are way too under engaged with their communities, not volunteering enough,

People should go to church, not even if they necessarily believe in God, but just to be across from their neighbors and to have an awareness of what's happening in their community and who they live with.

I'm all for that.

But there's got to be a deeper injury, maybe not injury, but dissatisfaction with what it means to vote in our current system for you.

Because your argument would support voting as well as volunteering, would it not?

Like go the extra mile in all cases to be a participant in your community.

But to me, what I'm hearing is like voting in this current system is almost like a, do you think it's degrading or something like that?

Because I'm trying to kind of understand because I still don't quite understand why it's a barrier for you.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

I mean, a lot of what you say, I think, is super interesting and valid and something I would support, you know, like removing D and R from.

the names and being like, you gotta know who the person is you are voting for.