John Regalado

You can't just go in and be like, okay, where are the Ds?

Show me the Ds.

Because that in and of itself turns politics into this literal cliff where it's like, we just, we slide one way or the other and everybody's playing kind of the red, blue color coding game and then message the most extreme belligerent messaging you could possibly think of to push people one way or the other.

And that's why kind of our culture is, you know, it's like we've got, it's not like Christian values, it's like Christian nationalism.

It's not just social progressive ideas, it's woke, you know, it's like these caricatures of kind of the former,

the seeds of what existed on both sides.

So I, I think that's a good idea.

I think, um, I think what you, what we saw in California, Elon Musk, I kind of want once heard comment on like the lack of just intellectual diversity or political diversity in California was its own, um,

it harmed the system because it was like, people are just gonna vote blue no matter what.

And what kind of immune system do you have in a state or in a government that doesn't tolerate any political diversity?

and where the political opponent doesn't have any chance of gaining power and sort of course correcting.

So if there's not tension, you really can fall into these traps.

And so I hear you on all of that.

And I think I agree with you.

I feel starved, and I think a lot of Americans feel starved.

What is something different?

Where is somebody who's just radically different?

Who's the closest that has been in the political sphere in your lifetime that's almost gotten you there, almost crossed that threshold of this feels real, this feels like coming from a good place?

Oh, yeah.

And what I'm kind of hearing is like, you know, the Abe Lincoln band of rivals kind of idea, like, or a team of rivals, sorry.