John Regalado

That's where I start to feel that intuition that you're saying, where it's like, okay, that starts to feel like a pile to me.

Yeah.

It's interesting kind of building on this narrative element is, you know, I think Gerard was being really clever in building that narrative around the human because that amplifies the sense of suffering.

Because if you were to kind of concede, yeah, like I think one Jewish person suffering in Auschwitz equals 3,000 cows.

Yeah.

You know, that amplifies this idea that you're diminishing that suffering because we tie so much tragic weight to that anecdote.

Okay, so the last clip I want to pull up and then we can kind of just...

I want to talk about my own journey a little bit with you, because I do find this very compelling.

So you asked, I think his name is Vidur, back to the center at the very end.

And he was the closest person.

He had tried being vegan previously.

He wasn't successful at sticking with it.

And you really just kind of put him on the spot at the very end, like, come back.

And it's this really interesting moment.

I like the way he responds to you, though.

So let's just watch this.

I'm not going to go vegan, but I don't want to leave you hanging.

you were close but but not quite but i i really appreciate his intellectual honesty you know he's like i'm not because a lot of times what we have is people come on this show and they're just super performative and they're just trying to you know dunk on somebody so that millions of people will will will see it and he's doing the exact opposite you know he has this moment to sort of

project his values and virtue signal.

And yet he's saying, Hey, you know, I just gotta be honest with you.