John Regalado

Like, I don't doubt that animals experience pain, but I do wonder if consciousness... Because I think humans have an especially loud narrative quality to their consciousness, which may not... Does that amplify pain in a sense of, like...

You know what I'm saying?

And so that makes me that gives me pause on like, is the suffering because like I would make the argument like the suffering of a chicken or a fish feels somewhat negligible to me.

The suffering of an ant feels very negligible to me.

Now, those are just that's just sort of like baked in intuition I have.

Once you get to like dogs, mammals, cows, I start to I see where you're kind of that balance.

Yeah.

But for whatever reason, human suffering, because I know the depth of the conscious experience, it seems like it still has a premium, like a premium for me.

Like I can't I can't quite see it as one for one.

Yeah, thanks for breaking that down.

But I interrupted you.

Were you going to break down kind of the hierarchy a little further?

Yeah.

No, that makes sense.

For me, the number seems maybe like a little higher than 1,000, but I hear what you're saying.

What number would you give it?

I mean, I was honestly thinking something like 5,000.

Oh, cool.

Like, I know that's high.

I know that's high, but it's like... That's what I thought I was going to do.