John Rubio

Yeah, yeah.

I was like, there's some people who really get into that.

They have more of an engineering mind.

So it's there for them.

Is your friend named the Voice of America?

But he said somebody else told him, like, you just have to get through that part, and then you're going to be madly in love with everything that happens.

I kept telling him, something big happens right in the middle of all this, and you got to get to that.

Yeah.

All right.

We start with on board.

I see what you did.

Also, when Carl says that, I thought, oh, thank God.

Because I thought, man, if he's going to keep giving info dumps and going and drilling down into every detail of the plan, I'm going to lose the thread.

I know I am.

It's a really weird moment in this series to feel seen.

Yeah.

Well, it just means it'll come as things progress.

Yeah, it's chaos.

I mean, and it's chaos that he's, you know, he knows that chaos is the only way to win this thing.

Because, I mean, if everything was equal and all these factions were going against each other...