John Safran

So I think I absorbed a bit of that as well.

I just love...

which is kind of a bit, I think it can be confusing, which I'm not having a go at anyone or whatever, but I like kind of tapping into the universe, even when it comes to things like politics or whatever, like this unease, and then sort of telling an adjacent story that's sort of, but it's different to like, oh, this is my op-ed about, you know,

And so I really trust stories.

And also for younger listeners, like there's different eras where just things are perceived differently.

Like I reckon I was so influenced that basically from whatever, year seven or something, right until like university, I was just really into like reading, all these countercultural things.

And they were always like...

sort of like tapping into, I might be tapping into politics or this thing or whatever, but it was always like a bit of an adjacent story.

Like it wasn't like this literal thing.

And I kind of really like that type of storytelling.

Like, you know, like to say hip hop, for instance, where so much of it is like, you know, at least, you know, late eighties and stuff was like telling these smaller stories and

if you were, like, a black American in a certain part of New York or Los Angeles and you'd be telling, like, this smaller story.

And so it wasn't like this, like, political thing, da-da-da-da-da, but it really, like, builds in your head this other world and you get to, like, learn about something else and, yeah, but it's not like, yeah, it's not like, oh, here's my op-ed about everything.

Yeah.

Do I think we've struck the right balance?

I think, like, there's so many things at play when it comes to free speech in the context of 2026 as opposed to –

just say 1970s or 1990s or whatever because censorship used to really mean censorship.

Let's use the case of Alex Jones who can fairly say, whatever you think about him, he's really been censored where, like, you know, he's been kicked off his radio show or whatever, he's had these court cases and he's been deplatformed, his credit card's closed, whatever, this whole thing like that.

Yeah, right now I can just go there and within five seconds find Alex Jones on my phone right there.

And that's like so different to in the past.