John Shenk
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first heard Feb 2026
last heard 6 Feb
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We realize that these drugs should not be scheduled one, the most dangerous, you know.
And we're realizing, as Marcus often says, that the opposite is kind of true, right?
There's clearly some value here.
And in the film, you see the Stanford team studying Ibogaine in particular.
But yes, in Texas, in California, in South Carolina, there's starting to be movement.
States are passing laws to funnel money from opioid abatement programs over to Ibogaine research because the drug can be so effective with addiction issues.
So we're starting to see some movement, and we're hoping the federal government changes laws as well.
Exactly.
Yeah, when you think about kind of an upfront cost versus an expense that goes on for years and years and years, it's actually a relatively cost-effective thing to do.
That was the big surprise for Bonnie and me as we went through this.
When we started interviewing folks ahead of time who had done the treatment, of course, we talked to Marcus and Amber about this, is that they very often get under the influence of Ibogaine, and they are actually reliving experiences that are trauma relived from their childhoods.
And they're starting to think about, why did I become a soldier in the first place?
These are very kind of deep, profound things and the kind of things that might come up in 20 years of talk therapy, right?
And that was really kind of the big picture lesson for us is this is not just a story for veterans.
It's a story for so many people who are walking around with trauma in this country and around the world.
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