John V
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first heard Dec 2025
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Welcome.
Yeah, thank you so much for having us.
It's an honor to be on here.
A big fan of what you guys uh do in the podcast and just your body work in general.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, well, uh I was working the same thing, working in prompt engineering and uh studying adversarial machine learning and looking at the work of Carlini and some of these guys doing really interesting things with computer vision systems and
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And uh of course, you know, when you run in in these small circles, right, you you're eventually gonna bump into the the ghost in the machine that is telling you the liberator, right?
So we s we started working together, we started uh sharing research, doing some contracts and we became fast friends, so
alignment.
Exactly.
We we were having this conversation earlier today about how traditionally in software development or machine learning but security like ops, like you have the team build something and then you have the security people throw it back over the wall after assessing it as uh, you know, not safe, not trustworthy, not secure, not reliable or whatever, right?
And there's this like animosity between the teams.
So we try to rectify that by creating devs.
Secops and so on and so forth, right?
But but the idea is still like that sort of tug-of-war.
And I think at the end of the day, our view of alignment research, our view of trust and safety or security has a different approach, which is very much like what Pliny uh touched on, the idea of like
Enabling the right researchers with the right skills to be unimpeded by the shenanigans that we could say of certain types of classifiers or guardrails, right?
Where these sort of blackluster, ineffective
controls.
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