John Yang
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and there's so many participants in it who want different things out of it, like just enabling different levels of abstraction.
Um, and you know, it depends on the task.
Like there's settings where you want to be, you know, more involved and more sort of hands-on and so you wanna use Windsurf for that.
But then maybe there's kind of this general data processing thing, it's just a lot of JSON parsing you don't really care about.
And that's the one I kind of want to walk away from and just let it figure it out.
Yeah.
So yeah, I I would agree with you generally.
Super jealous of all the great data that cognition and you know cursor would get.
Like that user interaction data is like really fascinating.
From an academic standpoint, it feels like there's two difficult approaches to resolving that.
Either you build like a really compelling product like El Marina that people have people use consistently, which is, I mean, really tricky in and of itself, or you build like really good user simulators that
Try to mimic sort of these settings, uh, but that is also like non-trivial.
I don't think it's as simple as, hey, ChatGPT, act like a human, right?
Yeah.
So it would be really cool to sort of get inspiration of like what exactly does that data look like?
Or or between the two, like, what's the best way to scale up sort of evaluating human AI interaction?
And then I think for visibility for my own work, pushing more.
Arenas.
Like I think for for Code Clash, what I'm excited about is the current framing is really long-running sweet agents, but you know, you could have multi-agents like two agents work together on the code base.
And what happens?
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