John Zito

amazing.

And so that part has been fun.

I'm definitely oddly over indexed to change.

So I like it a lot.

So I have to work on that because I, even when things aren't supposed to change, I like the change, but the industry has changed a lot.

I have tried to be really

market oriented around what is the appropriate equilibrium of where the market should sit, both in product design fee and asset category, and really question how to disrupt ourselves.

I'm okay with that discussion.

There's many people who are not okay with that discussion.

I love that discussion because I'm like, okay, well then let's do it.

I want to go, someone's going to disrupt it.

I'd rather just do it ourselves.

before letting anything else happen.

And I think you build trust by having that mentality.

The other thing is I oversee a really big private credit business.

That's how it's viewed from the outside.

And really now I oversee a big private markets business.

But I grew up in a public markets DNA in a job that was literally here's a draw of very small nominal dollars.

Eat what you kill.

If you lose money, you won't have a job.