Jon Greenberg

They were still like competitively bad.

Right.

Like they played hard.

I remember people were looking at them being like, OK, these guys aren't.

I think the problem when we talk about tanking and rebuilding and I'm guilty of this as anyone is we don't differentiate between.

Utah pulling guys in the fourth quarter

For no reason, right?

Or, like, you know, I know people are arguing about the Sacramento thing, but Sacramento actually tried to win, so we can't, like, criticize them too bad.

They're just really bad at it.

Yes.

So there's some teams that are bad.

There's some teams that are, like, egregiously trying to lose, like, actually tanking games.

And then there's teams that are just like, hey, we're going to take a step back.

We're trading guys for draft picks, and then we're going to make a quick transition.

The Bulls should be willing to take that two-year step.

And they kind of did...

When they broke up our famed three alphas and they brought in Zach, that was kind of like a two-year thing where they were willing to be bad.

But guess what?

They didn't get anything out of it because they never got a pick higher than seventh until – and then when they did get one after, it was Patrick Williams.

So they never –