Jon Gustin

Yeah.

Yeah, I think I think especially with non addicts that don't have addictive personalities, they look at other addicts like, well, it's a discipline thing.

Yeah.

And it's not a discipline thing.

And it's also it it is selfish.

But at some point.

It's like you don't you're not necessarily a bad person or a selfish person.

You might be, but you might not be too.

And then getting sober, a lot of the times people can carry that shame with them.

Yeah.

And that that doesn't help their sobriety is to hold that regret and shame.

And it's just kind of like that wasn't you move on and and deal with it.

For sure.

And I mean, isn't that the the problem with like self-help and everything that you can read all the self-help books, you can read all the stoicism books, but you still have to do it.

Yeah.

You can have all that knowledge.

But what are you doing in your real life to to show that?

Yeah, it's just one day at a time, really.

And that's a mindset that I shifted recently.

was don't just say, okay, it's gonna start today and last forever.