Jon Lee Anderson

It was very difficult to leave Cuba before under Fidel.

It was less so under Raul, etc.

So he made life easier for them, although the security state stayed in place, as it has to this day.

So the idea that one of Fidel's grandsons has suddenly broken with all of that familial austerity and, you know, face to the flag kind of behavior is interesting.

And of course, it's caught people's attention.

And Cubans are aware of it, too, because they're now on the Internet.

They weren't 10 years ago, you know.

But he's like a kid of the present day.

He's more like...

What is he, Gen X?

I don't know how you, I can't do the categories series, but you know what I mean.

He just does what he wants, which is sort of what an American kid would do, right?

Yeah, yeah.

You know, it's interesting that one of the Castros has produced the first, you know, in your face, I say what I want, I do what I want person on social media.

Isn't that interesting?

Yes.

That's right.

If his grandfather was still alive, I can assure you that Sandra would not be doing what he's doing.

He would have had his bottom slapped or whatever they do, and he would have been sent off to some monastery somewhere.

He would not be doing what he's doing.