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Jon Lee Anderson

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The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

Chavez and Fidel formed this, Hugo Chavez, the late Venezuelan wannabe, really acolyte of Fidel Castro.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

And they did this oil for expertise deal.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

So, you know, Venezuelan oil that began, this was 25 years ago, for Cuban expertise in everything from

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

you know, doctors to teachers to sports instructors, and of course, intelligence and military security guys.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

And that's what's ended with Maduro.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

So comparing that period of the early 90s following the Soviet implosion to the period now, there are differences, but also many similarities.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

These long blackouts, for instance, just yesterday, the national grid collapsed for the umpteenth time in Cuba.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

I don't know exactly, but sometimes back in, I think it was October of last year, it went on for almost a week.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

You can't get gasoline for love or money.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

And some people with dollars on the black market find ways, of course.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

But basically, there is no fuel.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

They haven't received any in three months.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

So that's disappearing.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

The package, as I understand it, that the Americans want...

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

start with a sweetener.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

That is to say, you open up economically to investors, be nice to private enterprise, which will help you anyway, and will allow us to sort of invest and da-da-da, and make money, and we will start to allow fuel in.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

Or it might even be, we will sell you the Venezuelan fuel you used to get for free, and then you'll owe us.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

So the point, what they're trying to do is basically make

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

Cuba, a dependency of the United States, in the same way that Venezuela is now a neo-dependency.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Is Cuba Trump’s Next Target?

And this new imperialism has Trump's name all over it.