Jon Lovett

But I think this started, in fairness, with Kamala Harris in 107 Days taking a shot at Newsom and then taking a shot at Shapiro.

For no real reason.

No, totally fine.

But that's what happens.

Like, I mean, I think you'd have to be a psychopath to be like, Hey, in case she picks me after this interview, that's maybe the most important of my life.

What do we think about the art?

Aren't they all relieved that no one had to test it out?

If only Pete and Amy had aired out their dirty laundry before the primary in 2020.

Oh, boy.

One year, guys.

It's been one year since Trump was inaugurated.

Here we are.

One down, three to go.

All right.

In a moment, we're going to jump to Tommy's interview with Jason Zengerle about his new Crooked Media Reads book about Tucker Carlson, another potential 2028 candidate.

Oh, gosh.

There you go.

Some housekeeping before we get there.

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