Jon Stewart

You have to understand that.

Then what you're saying is Europe shall lead us out of the wilderness, that they have learned their lesson through internecine fighting, and that is all over, and they will lead the democratic liberal establishment out of the wilderness, a reaffirmation of the Magna Carta and the Enlightenment values, and we shall do it there.

Last question, is the antidote to authoritarianism morality or competence?

Right.

Let's all be realistic about just how terrible we all are.

It doesn't appear to be, although that's not my jurisdiction, so I wouldn't- Nor mine, nor mine.

But thank you so much for being with us.

Fascinating as always.

Alistair Campbell, co-host of the Rest Is Politics podcast, and obviously a vast career as an author and

stuff communicator and all those other incredible things alistair please give my best to rory and i hope to see you guys soon uh over there and in that beautiful city of yours see you soon all right bye sir man that got dark they all do i will say this though

I think if anyone was going to narrate the end of the world, it should be a British person.

I was going to bring this up.

Did he not know thirsty?

Yeah, he did.

He said like, what do you mean by that?

That's right.

He's probably thinking to himself, like, I am a bit parched.

It is nearing tea time.

Nothing.

I almost seemed as if he was unaware of Tony Blair's role.