Jonathan Courtney

Well, my system for that is always we did a webinar to our... We had a week of inviting people to a webinar to talk about... I think the idea was...

take a look at our first in-person retreat in six years or something.

But for people who didn't know us, I think we had a separate name for the webinar, which was like where we see facilitation going in 2022.

And at that presentation, I just basically told people about how much, reminded people about how much they miss in-person.

Like for about an hour.

And then at the very end, I announced and we have this retreat.

Obviously, people are going to say, yeah, but you need an audience to do that.

Actually, yes.

For this particular event, we needed an audience because this was a big expensive event.

We had 75 people coming to it.

But summer camp only has 35 people coming to it.

I only have like 1,000 people or 1,000 to 2,000 people listening to my podcast.

And my podcast is the only audience for the people coming to my other in-person events.

And still I can fill, you know, 1 to 2, 35 people events per year.

And at a high ticket price, that's still a nice little business.

So, okay, the facilitator.com retreat, that's a big expensive thing.

It cost us like 100K to rent the village.

But the thing that I did in August, like last summer, I just asked Sam Ovens if I can use his office for my summer camp.

And he was like, yeah, all right, mate.

And by the way, Sam Ovens then asked me, or one of the guys from Sam Ovens' company's school asked me, can we use your office?