Jonathan Haidt

Yes, it does. Yes, it does. So two things. First, getting rid of the phones is the easy part because all the teachers hate it. All the principals hate it. So you got to get rid of the phones. Second, it's the phones that destroy lunchtime and time in between classes. They're not going to be on their laptop in the hallway, but they are on their phones.

And so when schools go phone free, the universal thing you always hear, you always see it in the news reports, is you hear a teacher or principal saying, we hear laughter in the hallways again. We haven't heard much of that in 10 years, 15 years. So you gotta get rid of the phones. That's the first step, and that's easy. Now, what you raise is the next battleground.

And so when schools go phone free, the universal thing you always hear, you always see it in the news reports, is you hear a teacher or principal saying, we hear laughter in the hallways again. We haven't heard much of that in 10 years, 15 years. So you gotta get rid of the phones. That's the first step, and that's easy. Now, what you raise is the next battleground.

And so when schools go phone free, the universal thing you always hear, you always see it in the news reports, is you hear a teacher or principal saying, we hear laughter in the hallways again. We haven't heard much of that in 10 years, 15 years. So you gotta get rid of the phones. That's the first step, and that's easy. Now, what you raise is the next battleground.

I didn't say much about that at all in the book, because I didn't know when I was writing the book. But since I submitted the manuscript a year and a half ago, I've been learning a lot more. And the evidence is really damning about the one-to-one technology. We all thought in the 90s and early 2000s, oh, rich kids have computers. We need to get computers for everyone.

I didn't say much about that at all in the book, because I didn't know when I was writing the book. But since I submitted the manuscript a year and a half ago, I've been learning a lot more. And the evidence is really damning about the one-to-one technology. We all thought in the 90s and early 2000s, oh, rich kids have computers. We need to get computers for everyone.

I didn't say much about that at all in the book, because I didn't know when I was writing the book. But since I submitted the manuscript a year and a half ago, I've been learning a lot more. And the evidence is really damning about the one-to-one technology. We all thought in the 90s and early 2000s, oh, rich kids have computers. We need to get computers for everyone.

Get a computer on every desk, we thought. And the ed tech companies and Google and Apple were thrilled. They really pushed it, especially Google after 2012 or so. So the Chromebook is ubiquitous. It's everywhere. What effect does this have? So let me just level set by saying I teach college students at New York University and I teach MBA students who are 27 to 30 years old.

Get a computer on every desk, we thought. And the ed tech companies and Google and Apple were thrilled. They really pushed it, especially Google after 2012 or so. So the Chromebook is ubiquitous. It's everywhere. What effect does this have? So let me just level set by saying I teach college students at New York University and I teach MBA students who are 27 to 30 years old.

Get a computer on every desk, we thought. And the ed tech companies and Google and Apple were thrilled. They really pushed it, especially Google after 2012 or so. So the Chromebook is ubiquitous. It's everywhere. What effect does this have? So let me just level set by saying I teach college students at New York University and I teach MBA students who are 27 to 30 years old.

They can't handle a computer on their desk. They cannot do it. I used to always let them take notes on a computer because I like to take notes on a computer. But the TA would sit in the back of the room, even though I made them pledge, they had literally stand up and swear. that you will only use your computer for class-related purposes.

They can't handle a computer on their desk. They cannot do it. I used to always let them take notes on a computer because I like to take notes on a computer. But the TA would sit in the back of the room, even though I made them pledge, they had literally stand up and swear. that you will only use your computer for class-related purposes.

They can't handle a computer on their desk. They cannot do it. I used to always let them take notes on a computer because I like to take notes on a computer. But the TA would sit in the back of the room, even though I made them pledge, they had literally stand up and swear. that you will only use your computer for class-related purposes.

They all stand up, they swear it, but the TA says half of them are online shopping, they're texting, they're checking their LinkedIn for the grad students. They can't do it. None of us can do it. You know, we're always multitasking when we're on a Zoom call. So college students' education is damaged if they have access to a computer during class, okay? Now let's look at nine-year-olds.

They all stand up, they swear it, but the TA says half of them are online shopping, they're texting, they're checking their LinkedIn for the grad students. They can't do it. None of us can do it. You know, we're always multitasking when we're on a Zoom call. So college students' education is damaged if they have access to a computer during class, okay? Now let's look at nine-year-olds.

They all stand up, they swear it, but the TA says half of them are online shopping, they're texting, they're checking their LinkedIn for the grad students. They can't do it. None of us can do it. You know, we're always multitasking when we're on a Zoom call. So college students' education is damaged if they have access to a computer during class, okay? Now let's look at nine-year-olds.

What do we think nine-year-olds are going to do? Or 12-year-olds who are deep into gossip and talking about each other? There's no way in hell they're going to just do the thing they're supposed to do. So it's looking more and more like ed tech, especially, I can't say all of it. I'm sure there are some things that are good. Khan Academy is good.

What do we think nine-year-olds are going to do? Or 12-year-olds who are deep into gossip and talking about each other? There's no way in hell they're going to just do the thing they're supposed to do. So it's looking more and more like ed tech, especially, I can't say all of it. I'm sure there are some things that are good. Khan Academy is good.

What do we think nine-year-olds are going to do? Or 12-year-olds who are deep into gossip and talking about each other? There's no way in hell they're going to just do the thing they're supposed to do. So it's looking more and more like ed tech, especially, I can't say all of it. I'm sure there are some things that are good. Khan Academy is good.

I don't know, you know, the teacher having a computer to present things on a screen. That's probably good, but I haven't done research on that yet. The thing we need to focus on next is get every device off of the desktop. Kids must not have a multifunction device on their desktop. If they do, they might as well just stay home.