Episode 447: Jonathan Haidt: Smartphones and the Anxious Generation - What Parents Need to Know
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Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits & Hustle. Crush it.
In this episode of Habits & Hustle, I'm joined by Dr. Jonathan Haidt. He's an NYU professor and the best-selling author of the book, Anxious Generation. We explore how smartphones and social media are reshaping childhood and not for the better. We dive into the alarming rise in depression, anxiety, and suicide among young people and how screen time disrupt critical psychological development from resilience to conflict resolution. Dr. Haidt also shares why phones affect boys and girls differently, the science behind how screens rewire the brain, and his four key recommendations for healthier tech use. Whether you're a parent, teacher, or just someone who cares about mental health, this conversation is a must listen. Before we dive into today's episode, I first want to thank our sponsor, Therasage. Their tri-light panel has become my favorite biohacking thing for healing my body. It's a portable red light panel that I simply cannot live without. I literally bring it with me everywhere I go.
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All right, so today on the podcast, we have Jonathan Haidt, who is the author of The Anxious Generation, probably, in my opinion, and I think almost every parent I know's opinion, one of the best books of, I think, of our decade. It is so timely, and I am just honored to have you on this podcast. Well, thank you.
How did smartphones contribute to the rise of anxiety in children?
It's a pleasure to be here.
It's really a pleasure to have you. I don't even know where to begin with you because you talk so much about the rise of anxiety and depression in our youth and social media, but it's not even that. I mean, I think I want to start by asking you, what was the tipping point for you in why you even wrote the book?
Well, it was actually a kind of a sidetrack originally. I'd written, my previous book was The Coddling of the American Mind. And it was about how overprotection is really weakening our kids. And we saw the students who arrived on campus around 2014, 2015. I teach at NYU, but all of us have seen this. The students arriving in 2014 or so, which is very different. They were much more fragile, much higher rates of anxiety, much more upset by things they saw or heard or read. And so I wrote a whole book on that with my friend Greg Lukianoff, and we focused on overprotection. And that's a part of the story, very important part of the story. But at the time, we were writing this in 2017 mostly, the evidence wasn't clear that social media was harming kids.
There were people writing about it. There were a few experiments. It wasn't really clear. So we just had a couple paragraphs in the book saying, well, maybe social media is part of this. But then the mental health stats kept getting worse and worse and worse. And this is all before COVID. COVID made it worse still, but all of this was baked in before, by 2019. And so then I then got a contract to write a book closer to my own center of research. I study moral and political psychology. So I was gonna write a book on what social media is doing to democracy, that democracy is a conversation. And when the conversation happens on Twitter, what the hell happens to us? So I started writing that book and I thought, well, let me start the book.
I have all this data left over on teen mental health. Let me start the book with one chapter on what happened to teenagers when they moved their social lives onto Instagram and a few other platforms around 2012. That's when Facebook buys Instagram. That's when it becomes very popular. So once they all get smartphones, which again is around 2012, their mental health plummets immediately.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic of this episode?
0:01–2:52
2
How did smartphones contribute to the rise of anxiety in children?
2:52–6:22
3
What are the key differences in social media's impact on girls vs. boys?
6:22–10:23
4
Why is play essential for child development?
10:23–11:54
5
What does anti-fragility mean for children?
11:54–13:58
6
What are the dangers of multitasking with technology?
13:58–16:18
7
How can parents protect children from online dangers?
16:18–19:38
8
What collective actions can parents take for healthier childhoods?
19:38–56:31
Speakers
1 identifiedMore from Habits and Hustle
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