Jonathan Haidt

They're on their phone in between classes. They don't talk to each other. So I'm not sure where they are now. Arkansas, Utah, but it's-

They're on their phone in between classes. They don't talk to each other. So I'm not sure where they are now. Arkansas, Utah, but it's-

They also have a really excellent governor. Governor Cox has been just superb. He wants to make Utah the most family friendly state and many states want to. And, you know, if we feel that we can't let our kids out and our kids are rotting away on screens and their screens all day in the school, that's not a family friendly place. So, yeah, Utah has been great on this. Oh, here we are in New York.

They also have a really excellent governor. Governor Cox has been just superb. He wants to make Utah the most family friendly state and many states want to. And, you know, if we feel that we can't let our kids out and our kids are rotting away on screens and their screens all day in the school, that's not a family friendly place. So, yeah, Utah has been great on this. Oh, here we are in New York.

Governor Hochul has been great on this. We're going to get phone free bell to bell legislation here in New York. New Jersey is moving that way. Connecticut. So we're seeing it all over the country. That's the phone-free schools. So in the book, I say there are four norms. With four norms, we can roll back the phone-based childhood. The first is no smartphone before high school.

Governor Hochul has been great on this. We're going to get phone free bell to bell legislation here in New York. New Jersey is moving that way. Connecticut. So we're seeing it all over the country. That's the phone-free schools. So in the book, I say there are four norms. With four norms, we can roll back the phone-based childhood. The first is no smartphone before high school.

Do not give your kid a touchscreen. This includes an iPad. Don't give them their own. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Do not give your kid a touchscreen. This includes an iPad. Don't give them their own. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Right, right. In theory, yes, there is a danger of that. And history would suggest examples of it. Every generation is wary of the technology that comes in that the kids are using. But... If it turned out that our kids were flourishing, then I would just be an old man shaking his head at the clouds. But our kids are the least flourishing generation we know of ever, certainly in modern times.

Right, right. In theory, yes, there is a danger of that. And history would suggest examples of it. Every generation is wary of the technology that comes in that the kids are using. But... If it turned out that our kids were flourishing, then I would just be an old man shaking his head at the clouds. But our kids are the least flourishing generation we know of ever, certainly in modern times.

If it was the case that our kids love this stuff and they said, no, we love TikTok. No, let us keep TikTok. Then maybe I just don't understand it. But we did a survey with the Harris poll. 50% of Gen Z said they would prefer that TikTok was never invented, never invented. They feel trapped by it. So if you've got the kids themselves— Although they don't want to give it up, which is the paradox.

If it was the case that our kids love this stuff and they said, no, we love TikTok. No, let us keep TikTok. Then maybe I just don't understand it. But we did a survey with the Harris poll. 50% of Gen Z said they would prefer that TikTok was never invented, never invented. They feel trapped by it. So if you've got the kids themselves— Although they don't want to give it up, which is the paradox.