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Jonathan Haidt

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The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

No, but they don't want to be the only one. If we could all give it up, then actually most of them would do it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

No, but they don't want to be the only one. If we could all give it up, then actually most of them would do it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

No, but guess what? There wasn't much objection. There were creators. There were people making money from it. But I was surprised. There was not a youth rebellion saying, no, let us keep— I think you're not on TikTok. And you're not a legislator getting letters about this. Well, right, because TikTok motivated a lot of them to write to their legislators.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

No, but guess what? There wasn't much objection. There were creators. There were people making money from it. But I was surprised. There was not a youth rebellion saying, no, let us keep— I think you're not on TikTok. And you're not a legislator getting letters about this. Well, right, because TikTok motivated a lot of them to write to their legislators.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

But the point is that when you survey them, they feel trapped and they're looking for an escape. They're just terrified of being the only one. So in theory, I could be wrong and right. we will adapt this. But I think the way you described it, well, no, they're just, you know, they've adapted to it. I would say they've been deformed by it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

But the point is that when you survey them, they feel trapped and they're looking for an escape. They're just terrified of being the only one. So in theory, I could be wrong and right. we will adapt this. But I think the way you described it, well, no, they're just, you know, they've adapted to it. I would say they've been deformed by it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

So there's a sense in which they fit, but they fit not as agents. They fit not as full human beings who are making a future of themselves. They fit as human fodder that has been sucked into the machine and molded to what the machine wants out of them, which is their attention.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

So there's a sense in which they fit, but they fit not as agents. They fit not as full human beings who are making a future of themselves. They fit as human fodder that has been sucked into the machine and molded to what the machine wants out of them, which is their attention.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

So what you're describing is a path that opened up to prestige. So teenagers are desperate for prestige. And what the social media companies did—and we know this from things that insiders have said— is they hacked that. They said, you know, normally throughout history to become prestigious, you had to become a good archer or a good leader or a good basket weaver.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

So what you're describing is a path that opened up to prestige. So teenagers are desperate for prestige. And what the social media companies did—and we know this from things that insiders have said— is they hacked that. They said, you know, normally throughout history to become prestigious, you had to become a good archer or a good leader or a good basket weaver.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

You had to do something in the world and then people would respect you and you would gain in social status. That's the way it always used to be. And what social media is able to do is say, you don't have to do anything. Just do whatever it takes to get people to follow you and bingo, you've got prestige. And where does it end? I'll tell you where it ends.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

You had to do something in the world and then people would respect you and you would gain in social status. That's the way it always used to be. And what social media is able to do is say, you don't have to do anything. Just do whatever it takes to get people to follow you and bingo, you've got prestige. And where does it end? I'll tell you where it ends.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

In one of the most disgusting apps I've ever seen. Well, there are lots of competition, but there's a thing called Famify. And the idea is lots of young people are lonely. They're not able to get followers. They're putting stuff out there. Nobody's watching. Well, that's really crushing. Imagine your nine-year-old not getting any followers. But if you give her Famify...

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

In one of the most disgusting apps I've ever seen. Well, there are lots of competition, but there's a thing called Famify. And the idea is lots of young people are lonely. They're not able to get followers. They're putting stuff out there. Nobody's watching. Well, that's really crushing. Imagine your nine-year-old not getting any followers. But if you give her Famify...

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And Famify will generate as many followers as you want. You want millions? You got it. Millions of followers. And you can see them. You know, they're praising you. They're giving you hearts. So Famify is a way to take what you just said that, oh, well, yes, well, they actually they are searching for a way to be successful without any attention. No need. Just give them Famify.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And Famify will generate as many followers as you want. You want millions? You got it. Millions of followers. And you can see them. You know, they're praising you. They're giving you hearts. So Famify is a way to take what you just said that, oh, well, yes, well, they actually they are searching for a way to be successful without any attention. No need. Just give them Famify.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And this is AI followers? AI followers, that's right. Oh, this is the most Black Mirror shit I've ever heard. Exactly, exactly. And this is why I am so passionate about how we have to move quickly this year, 2025. This is really our last year before AI really has a big impact on life.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And this is AI followers? AI followers, that's right. Oh, this is the most Black Mirror shit I've ever heard. Exactly, exactly. And this is why I am so passionate about how we have to move quickly this year, 2025. This is really our last year before AI really has a big impact on life.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

You know, now that we're moving not just from you can know everything to now we have agents, you can do everything. I mean, the internet in a sense gave us omniscience, but now AI with agents is going to give us omnipotence. And that would be horrible for children.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

You know, now that we're moving not just from you can know everything to now we have agents, you can do everything. I mean, the internet in a sense gave us omniscience, but now AI with agents is going to give us omnipotence. And that would be horrible for children.