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Jonathan Haidt

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The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

So you put all these together and you get this view of this amazing world. amazing species that develop culture. No other species has culture. I mean, chimps have a tiny bit. And the miracle of our ability to develop these skills and the ability to communicate, and then we come in and we radically change childhood and we think, maybe it'll be okay. Well, it's not okay.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

So you put all these together and you get this view of this amazing world. amazing species that develop culture. No other species has culture. I mean, chimps have a tiny bit. And the miracle of our ability to develop these skills and the ability to communicate, and then we come in and we radically change childhood and we think, maybe it'll be okay. Well, it's not okay.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's pretty clear it's not okay. We didn't radically change childhood.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's pretty clear it's not okay. We didn't radically change childhood.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And we feel we can't stop them and they're able to stop bills in Congress and they're able to, they have giant PR budgets and they're able to manipulate the narrative behind the scenes. So yeah, it's a hell of a struggle. But what we're seeing is a parent's revolution around the world. And I think if most parents rise up and say no more, I think we're going to win.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And we feel we can't stop them and they're able to stop bills in Congress and they're able to, they have giant PR budgets and they're able to manipulate the narrative behind the scenes. So yeah, it's a hell of a struggle. But what we're seeing is a parent's revolution around the world. And I think if most parents rise up and say no more, I think we're going to win.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's interesting that you've had to sit down and ask, what is a syllabus on flourishing? Yeah. What is a syllabus on flourishing? Oh, I can tell you in just a few words. The course is organized around making you stronger emotionally. So stronger, smarter, and more sociable. Because if we can do that together, if we can, you have to cultivate new habits, make changes to your routine.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

It's interesting that you've had to sit down and ask, what is a syllabus on flourishing? Yeah. What is a syllabus on flourishing? Oh, I can tell you in just a few words. The course is organized around making you stronger emotionally. So stronger, smarter, and more sociable. Because if we can do that together, if we can, you have to cultivate new habits, make changes to your routine.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

If you can become stronger, smarter, and more sociable, then you are likely to be more successful in love, broadly construed relationships, in love and in work. And that's the modern formula for happiness, success in love and work, as Freud originally said. And if you are more successful in love and in work, then you will be happier. That's almost guaranteed. So that's what the course is about.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

If you can become stronger, smarter, and more sociable, then you are likely to be more successful in love, broadly construed relationships, in love and in work. And that's the modern formula for happiness, success in love and work, as Freud originally said. And if you are more successful in love and in work, then you will be happier. That's almost guaranteed. So that's what the course is about.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

What that you assign connects the most? Oh, well, I know you're going to ask me about the three books. You know what? Let's just do the three books right now because this is the three books, okay?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

What that you assign connects the most? Oh, well, I know you're going to ask me about the three books. You know what? Let's just do the three books right now because this is the three books, okay?

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

The three books for the undergrads especially, and this is what I would recommend to any member of Gen Z, any young person in their 20s, anybody who feels their attention has been fried and they want to get it back. Here are the three books. The first is The Stoic Challenge by William Irvine. It really makes Stoicism just so accessible.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

The three books for the undergrads especially, and this is what I would recommend to any member of Gen Z, any young person in their 20s, anybody who feels their attention has been fried and they want to get it back. Here are the three books. The first is The Stoic Challenge by William Irvine. It really makes Stoicism just so accessible.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

When you get setbacks, the students learn to say, I just missed the subway. Now I'm going to be late. Like Stoic challenge. You just say Stoic challenge. It's as though they're Stoic gods and they're testing me to make me strong. And yeah, I missed my train, but am I going to also hurt myself by stewing for 20 minutes? Nope. I'm going to be calm about it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

When you get setbacks, the students learn to say, I just missed the subway. Now I'm going to be late. Like Stoic challenge. You just say Stoic challenge. It's as though they're Stoic gods and they're testing me to make me strong. And yeah, I missed my train, but am I going to also hurt myself by stewing for 20 minutes? Nope. I'm going to be calm about it.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And so you develop that habit of more stoic reactions and they get stronger. They're not so anxious. They don't get angry or irritated at other people so much. So stoic challenge. The second book is by Cal Newport. It's called Deep Work. And this is why I'm so passionate about attention. Without your attention, you can't do anything.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And so you develop that habit of more stoic reactions and they get stronger. They're not so anxious. They don't get angry or irritated at other people so much. So stoic challenge. The second book is by Cal Newport. It's called Deep Work. And this is why I'm so passionate about attention. Without your attention, you can't do anything.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And as Newport says, a deep life, where you do a lot of deep work, a deep life is a good life. It is a rich life. And so Cal Newport, we work on that to regain their attention. We work on turning off almost all notifications, on moving social media off your phone, onto your computer, and then for some, deleting it from the computer. So that's a wonderful book.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘Our Kids Are the Least Flourishing Generation We Know Of’

And as Newport says, a deep life, where you do a lot of deep work, a deep life is a good life. It is a rich life. And so Cal Newport, we work on that to regain their attention. We work on turning off almost all notifications, on moving social media off your phone, onto your computer, and then for some, deleting it from the computer. So that's a wonderful book.