Jonathan Haidt

And status is life or death. It certainly is among males, especially, it's who gets to mate. So maintaining high status is extremely important. And we certainly see this in adolescents. Adolescents are, they would gladly do something that knocked a few years off of their life at the end of their life if they could be more popular today. Again, it's the short term.

And status is life or death. It certainly is among males, especially, it's who gets to mate. So maintaining high status is extremely important. And we certainly see this in adolescents. Adolescents are, they would gladly do something that knocked a few years off of their life at the end of their life if they could be more popular today. Again, it's the short term.

We've got to do the thing that seems so imperative to us now, and that's reputation. So we have so you know, I guess, Dave, you started off that I'm something about evolutionary biology. Yeah, I love evolution. It is it's like, it's like, what is the what is the design manual for humans? And then it's customizable. But what is the design manual?

We've got to do the thing that seems so imperative to us now, and that's reputation. So we have so you know, I guess, Dave, you started off that I'm something about evolutionary biology. Yeah, I love evolution. It is it's like, it's like, what is the what is the design manual for humans? And then it's customizable. But what is the design manual?

And so once you start looking at things like, you know, reward reputation, you know, we like outdoor spaces that look like savannas and golf course, I mean, there's all kinds of stuff you can learn from evolution. And then you can understand what some of these guys hacked. And we have actually Chamath, I think is one of the ones who talked to, there's a great quote.

And so once you start looking at things like, you know, reward reputation, you know, we like outdoor spaces that look like savannas and golf course, I mean, there's all kinds of stuff you can learn from evolution. And then you can understand what some of these guys hacked. And we have actually Chamath, I think is one of the ones who talked to, there's a great quote.

I think I might even, you know what? I think I even quote him in the book. There's all, you know, a lot of the guys who were in there early, they could see, they could see exactly what was being done to hack into young people's concerns for their reputation.

I think I might even, you know what? I think I even quote him in the book. There's all, you know, a lot of the guys who were in there early, they could see, they could see exactly what was being done to hack into young people's concerns for their reputation.

No, that's right. We evolved for small group interactions with a lot of gossip. So when kids are talking in small groups and someone says something stupid and others make fun of them, people laugh and then you move on.

No, that's right. We evolved for small group interactions with a lot of gossip. So when kids are talking in small groups and someone says something stupid and others make fun of them, people laugh and then you move on.

But when you put kids on a stage where potentially millions of people could be laughing at them and they could be the internet topic of the day and it might last for the whole week, a lot of those kids are considering suicide because when you are being shamed and it seems like you're out, A lot of kids will think of killing themselves because that's a way to relieve the pain.

But when you put kids on a stage where potentially millions of people could be laughing at them and they could be the internet topic of the day and it might last for the whole week, a lot of those kids are considering suicide because when you are being shamed and it seems like you're out, A lot of kids will think of killing themselves because that's a way to relieve the pain.

So however, and the thing is, look, almost all of us as adults, we see this stuff. If you post stuff on social media and then you read the comments and then you can be upset by the comments. Imagine if you were 12 or 13.

So however, and the thing is, look, almost all of us as adults, we see this stuff. If you post stuff on social media and then you read the comments and then you can be upset by the comments. Imagine if you were 12 or 13.

That's right. And so I just, you know, I really want to emphasize puberty as, puberty is one of the key ideas in my book. So in The Anxious Generation, I really focused on, well, the subtitle is How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. So while it's childhood that got rewired, from 2010 to 2015, it is unrecognizable.

That's right. And so I just, you know, I really want to emphasize puberty as, puberty is one of the key ideas in my book. So in The Anxious Generation, I really focused on, well, the subtitle is How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. So while it's childhood that got rewired, from 2010 to 2015, it is unrecognizable.

The change that happened in those five years is beyond what anyone could have ever imagined. And The millennials are fine because they were already done with puberty by 2010, largely. And so they had flip phones. When they were going through puberty, let's say ages 11 to 12, it begins typically a little earlier for girls, to 15, 16 is sort of the peak.

The change that happened in those five years is beyond what anyone could have ever imagined. And The millennials are fine because they were already done with puberty by 2010, largely. And so they had flip phones. When they were going through puberty, let's say ages 11 to 12, it begins typically a little earlier for girls, to 15, 16 is sort of the peak.

It goes on until your early 20s, but it's especially early puberty, the early teens, the mid-teens, that is the period where your brain is literally rewiring. It is literally from back to front, changing over from the child form to the adult form, which is much more competent, but much less flexible.

It goes on until your early 20s, but it's especially early puberty, the early teens, the mid-teens, that is the period where your brain is literally rewiring. It is literally from back to front, changing over from the child form to the adult form, which is much more competent, but much less flexible.