Jonathan Haidt

Yeah, that's the common rule. That's right. Tell me how you do it because there's a lot of questions around it. How do you do it today?

Yeah, that's the common rule. That's right. Tell me how you do it because there's a lot of questions around it. How do you do it today?

That's how we did it in Brooklyn. And that's why Tree Grows in Brooklyn.

That's how we did it in Brooklyn. And that's why Tree Grows in Brooklyn.

It's the withdrawal, that's right, because once you've had hyper-stimulation of quick, easy dopamine, those systems down-regulate, they react, they try to restore homeostasis, and now it takes more stimulation to get them to the normal level.

It's the withdrawal, that's right, because once you've had hyper-stimulation of quick, easy dopamine, those systems down-regulate, they react, they try to restore homeostasis, and now it takes more stimulation to get them to the normal level.

Now you take away the video games, you take away the phones, and for, Anna Lembke says it's two or three weeks to overcome withdrawal symptoms, especially for more serious drugs. But in my experience, it's more like, it's like a few days. The first three or four days are really bad. But by a week, actually, they're mostly over it. That's what you find. Like summer camp.

Now you take away the video games, you take away the phones, and for, Anna Lembke says it's two or three weeks to overcome withdrawal symptoms, especially for more serious drugs. But in my experience, it's more like, it's like a few days. The first three or four days are really bad. But by a week, actually, they're mostly over it. That's what you find. Like summer camp.

So send your kids to summer camp and never send your child to a camp that allows kids to keep phones on them. Never do that. That's a wasted opportunity for detox.

So send your kids to summer camp and never send your child to a camp that allows kids to keep phones on them. Never do that. That's a wasted opportunity for detox.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, that's right.

For the heavy users, especially. I mean, I try to avoid saying brain melted. I try to be a little more precise. For the heavy users, and this is the thing, about five, depending on how you measure it, about five to 12% of the boys do become problematic users of video games. So for most boys, video games are okay. They're a lot of fun. And I wouldn't say video games are melting most boys' brains.

For the heavy users, especially. I mean, I try to avoid saying brain melted. I try to be a little more precise. For the heavy users, and this is the thing, about five, depending on how you measure it, about five to 12% of the boys do become problematic users of video games. So for most boys, video games are okay. They're a lot of fun. And I wouldn't say video games are melting most boys' brains.

But 5% to 12% is a lot of boys to lose. And these are boys who are spending, you know, three, four, five hours a day on video games for years and years and years. They don't develop social skills. They don't develop dating skills. These boys, I think, are... That's right. Exactly. Exactly. It's just...

But 5% to 12% is a lot of boys to lose. And these are boys who are spending, you know, three, four, five hours a day on video games for years and years and years. They don't develop social skills. They don't develop dating skills. These boys, I think, are... That's right. Exactly. Exactly. It's just...

Yeah. Tell me more about what you're seeing in Silicon Valley in the tech industry. Are you talking only about boys? Are you saying girls are this way? Girls aren't making eye contact?

Yeah. Tell me more about what you're seeing in Silicon Valley in the tech industry. Are you talking only about boys? Are you saying girls are this way? Girls aren't making eye contact?

Internalizing disorders, that's right. Internalizing disorders, yeah. And tell me how Gen Z employees are working out in general. They don't.

Internalizing disorders, that's right. Internalizing disorders, yeah. And tell me how Gen Z employees are working out in general. They don't.