Jonathan Kieperman (Lomez)

It's always trying to tell you a self-consciously conservative message. It's overly sentimental. And then there's also this nostalgia thing. It's always looking backwards. And conservative art is always looking to the past because it's familiar. It's something that's already been established. It's something for which they already know what they're supposed to like, what's good and what's not good.

It's always trying to tell you a self-consciously conservative message. It's overly sentimental. And then there's also this nostalgia thing. It's always looking backwards. And conservative art is always looking to the past because it's familiar. It's something that's already been established. It's something for which they already know what they're supposed to like, what's good and what's not good.

So there's no risk in trying anything new. And then the third thing I'll say here is that it's grievance-oriented. And this comes in two forms. It's either we're owning the libs or here's a story about all of the ways the libs are making our lives unbearable.

So there's no risk in trying anything new. And then the third thing I'll say here is that it's grievance-oriented. And this comes in two forms. It's either we're owning the libs or here's a story about all of the ways the libs are making our lives unbearable.

Sure. No country for old men as an example. But but it's not self-consciously right wing. Right. Right. Absolutely. You know, the Coen brothers would call themselves on the right. And I don't even know if Cormac McCarthy would who wrote the book it's based on. But to my mind, it is precisely right wing art or, you know, David Lynch.

Sure. No country for old men as an example. But but it's not self-consciously right wing. Right. Right. Absolutely. You know, the Coen brothers would call themselves on the right. And I don't even know if Cormac McCarthy would who wrote the book it's based on. But to my mind, it is precisely right wing art or, you know, David Lynch.

Pretty much everything David Lynch touches, I think, has a certain kind of right wing coding to it. Certainly his major works.

Pretty much everything David Lynch touches, I think, has a certain kind of right wing coding to it. Certainly his major works.

You know, okay, because I like it, it's good, and therefore I want it to share my sort of political preferences. But beyond that, you know, and this is where there would be some points of disagreement. By the way, I'd also call something like Girls, the TV show Girls, is a right-wing... Oh, yeah. Well, well, that now you're just pandering to me because that was my that was my view.

You know, okay, because I like it, it's good, and therefore I want it to share my sort of political preferences. But beyond that, you know, and this is where there would be some points of disagreement. By the way, I'd also call something like Girls, the TV show Girls, is a right-wing... Oh, yeah. Well, well, that now you're just pandering to me because that was my that was my view.

All right. So then so then we might share the premise here that what constitutes, quote unquote, right wing art, which is, by the way, some labeling we're grafting onto this thing after the fact. And so it's actually like a very flimsy kind of labeling. But

All right. So then so then we might share the premise here that what constitutes, quote unquote, right wing art, which is, by the way, some labeling we're grafting onto this thing after the fact. And so it's actually like a very flimsy kind of labeling. But

what these pieces of work are doing is telling the truth about the world in a way that is not compromised by artistic or ideological preferences about how these events and these characters and these people, what society wishes were true about these people. So my thing is that if you are telling the truth about the world, then you are going to make right-wing art.

what these pieces of work are doing is telling the truth about the world in a way that is not compromised by artistic or ideological preferences about how these events and these characters and these people, what society wishes were true about these people. So my thing is that if you are telling the truth about the world, then you are going to make right-wing art.

I suppose. Yeah. But I'll say this. Like, I think it depends. You know, I understand your point that it's highly reductive to just simply say if I like it, therefore, it's right wing art or if it tells the truth. Tells the truth is what you're saying. But OK, so what I mean by that, though, is a point of clarification is there are certain at least modern left wing premises that.

I suppose. Yeah. But I'll say this. Like, I think it depends. You know, I understand your point that it's highly reductive to just simply say if I like it, therefore, it's right wing art or if it tells the truth. Tells the truth is what you're saying. But OK, so what I mean by that, though, is a point of clarification is there are certain at least modern left wing premises that.

that support their worldview and their political agenda that I think are belied by someone telling the truth about the world. And here's an example of this. The left sort of takes as a foundational principle of its politics, the idea of equality.

that support their worldview and their political agenda that I think are belied by someone telling the truth about the world. And here's an example of this. The left sort of takes as a foundational principle of its politics, the idea of equality.

that there's a kind of flattening of people and that through carefully managed social engineering, we can produce a society that either levels out any kind of natural hierarchy

that there's a kind of flattening of people and that through carefully managed social engineering, we can produce a society that either levels out any kind of natural hierarchy