Jonathan Kieperman (Lomez)

or produce a system that somehow can wrangle these natural, almost supernatural sort of entropic forces that, you know, are constantly creating chaos and constantly requiring our maintenance and management and authority to deal with.

or produce a system that somehow can wrangle these natural, almost supernatural sort of entropic forces that, you know, are constantly creating chaos and constantly requiring our maintenance and management and authority to deal with.

So that's what I was looking for.

So that's what I was looking for.

Yeah, I think that's right. I wouldn't contest that basic summary I don't want to overdo like how we're thinking about this word vitality for the purposes of this conversation. It's enough to say it's something like, you know, a thymus, OK, spiritedness, a self-will, a liveness or or a.

Yeah, I think that's right. I wouldn't contest that basic summary I don't want to overdo like how we're thinking about this word vitality for the purposes of this conversation. It's enough to say it's something like, you know, a thymus, OK, spiritedness, a self-will, a liveness or or a.

Also, I want to say that there's a certain kind of eroticism to vitality that's very important and has often been missing from sort of the conservative view of the world. And I think that's a mistake. I think you're leaving something very important on the table by not –

Also, I want to say that there's a certain kind of eroticism to vitality that's very important and has often been missing from sort of the conservative view of the world. And I think that's a mistake. I think you're leaving something very important on the table by not –

grappling with this notion of eroticism and what that means and why it might be valuable, especially, and here's the premise we're starting from. And I think, Ross, we share this view that we're reaching this phase, whether it's cyclical or there's sort of this longer term linear path of kind of civilizational exhaustion, decay, decadence. That's a word I know you've used a lot.

grappling with this notion of eroticism and what that means and why it might be valuable, especially, and here's the premise we're starting from. And I think, Ross, we share this view that we're reaching this phase, whether it's cyclical or there's sort of this longer term linear path of kind of civilizational exhaustion, decay, decadence. That's a word I know you've used a lot.

And this all requires rebirth. And the process of rebirth is not gentle. It can be violent and difficult. So I would say that vitality serves these two basic functions right now and why it's valuable for us to take on board. One, it attracts young people. Young people, I think men in particular, women too, though, are naturally attracted to this sort of notion of vitality.

And this all requires rebirth. And the process of rebirth is not gentle. It can be violent and difficult. So I would say that vitality serves these two basic functions right now and why it's valuable for us to take on board. One, it attracts young people. Young people, I think men in particular, women too, though, are naturally attracted to this sort of notion of vitality.

They see it, they know it, and they want to be around it. The right has failed for a long time to attract young people. This is finally changing over the last few years. It's also... a way of overcoming a kind of defeatism of this sort of idea that things are past the point of saving, that we can't do anything, that all there is left for us in the 21st century is to, on the one hand, merely manage

They see it, they know it, and they want to be around it. The right has failed for a long time to attract young people. This is finally changing over the last few years. It's also... a way of overcoming a kind of defeatism of this sort of idea that things are past the point of saving, that we can't do anything, that all there is left for us in the 21st century is to, on the one hand, merely manage

playing out this end of history period. This sense of vitality, I think, offers something else. It offers the human subject the opportunity to advance positively and affirmatively into the future. So that's my defense of vitalism.

playing out this end of history period. This sense of vitality, I think, offers something else. It offers the human subject the opportunity to advance positively and affirmatively into the future. So that's my defense of vitalism.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay, so I wrote this essay called What is the Long House for First Things Magazine. So you can answer the question. Yes. I would encourage anybody who wants to know the precise details to go read that article because I spell out what I mean by it. And here I'm going to talk and

Okay, so I wrote this essay called What is the Long House for First Things Magazine. So you can answer the question. Yes. I would encourage anybody who wants to know the precise details to go read that article because I spell out what I mean by it. And here I'm going to talk and