Jonathan Rosenthal

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The Intelligence from The Economist · A murder exploited: Britain’s George Floyd moment that wasn’t · 4 Jun 2026 podcast

How do we get more European NATO members in top commanding positions in NATO and try and use all of that infrastructure?

This is about not just Plan B, but what some Nordic defense official said to me is a plan B and a plan C, possibly a plan D.

So ideally, we'd really want to say, let's try and keep NATO and make it work, even as America withdraws or pulls out.

But that said, we need an insurance plan.

And right now, the Jeff, the Joint Expeditionary Force led by Britain, is probably the closest.

It's already a coalition that's been doing exercises together, it's got a headquarters.

That is up and ready to go.

That headquarters has got many of the key functions that you need: capabilities and intelligence and logistics and planning and those sorts of things.

So if NATO were to fall over tomorrow, that would be the most sort of oven-ready option.

And again, one of the key points about the Jeff is that it can sidestep one of the central weaknesses of NATO.

And that is that in order for this Article 5, this promise NATO

Will respond to an attack on one is an attack on all, is that it requires a unanimous decision by all NATO members.

Now, the Jeff was explicitly set up as a way of acting more quickly without the full consensus, as people have said to me, we don't need to call a committee meeting and wait for Portugal and other countries to show up and debate.

The Jeff is a group of like minded countries that are all acutely aware of the Russian threat.

threat and would be ready to go at a moment's notice.

And

There are two questions implicit in this.

And the one is just the narrow question around the Jeff.

And it has some weaknesses.

It doesn't include some of the major other continental European NATO powers.

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