Jonathan Swan

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362 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 15 Jul

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It's a group of people who nod along, affirm Donald Trump.

When he's not hearing what he wants to hear, he goes elsewhere to get affirmation.

So we have a scene in the book

It's kind of an astonishing scene where this is just before he launches the trade war with the whole world last April, Liberation Day.

And he's in the Oval Office with his core economic team.

And Howard Lutnick, the Commerce Secretary, is discussing tariff rates with him, you know, from China and India.

And the data that he's presenting, Trump, is from the government.

It's from the U.S.

government, USTR.

It's the official data.

And Trump turns to Natalie Harp, who's his young assistant.

And she sits basically against the wall of the Oval Office.

You can see her in some of the photographs.

But he says, Natalie, Google me the real numbers.

These are numbers.

Get me the real numbers.

And of course, so then she starts furiously Googling to try to find whatever these real numbers are.

And of course, you can't find the real numbers because they don't exist.

But that's very representative of the way he seeks out information.

When he's hearing something that doesn't comport with his instincts, he goes to other people to get validation.

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