Jonathan Swan
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 3 Jul
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It obviously creates leverage.
There's a whole industry around pardons now, as you know.
The price of them you talk about.
Well, and it's very hard to cover because it's hard to know where the money's going sometimes, who's getting paid for what.
It's...
You could spend years just covering the pardon industry on the outside around the Trump administration.
But Trump himself, you know, it's a tool of absolute power.
And he uses it, you know, very, very aggressively.
Oh, so he, my colleagues at the Times interviewed Trump earlier this year.
And I'm paraphrasing, but he said something to the effect of,
I got no credit in the first term for abiding by the, you know, the norms.
He actually didn't.
He didn't.
Well, the one thing he did was he prohibited his sons from pursuing new foreign business deals.
But of course, people found ways to put money into the Trump's pockets by, you know, patronizing their clubs and what have you.
This time around, it's just open for business.
And he makes no apologies about it.
And like I said before, what's the accountability mechanism?
When you are, as he will say, immune, and when you have, as he's expressed, an intent to pardon everyone,
And when there's a very real possibility, I'm not saying I know that this will happen, but I think based on everything they've done, it's a reasonable question that they will not necessarily comply with subpoenas if Democrats take the House.
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