Jonathan Swan

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The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 198. How Trump’s Imperial Presidency Really Works · 19 Jul 2026 podcast

You know, it's only as Europe.

that it comes with the financial power and the leverage and whatever.

And UK's obviously done Brexit, and we're now sort of 10 years later.

I don't know, is it the seventh prime minister now?

What are we up to?

Is it seven?

So, you know, from the Trump perspective...

It's about leverage.

It's just not that complicated.

He doesn't see things in terms of the history of the relationship or NATO or there's no sort of long credit in the bank that goes back for those things.

It's completely transactional and completely leverage-based.

So, yes, you can get small situational wins by sucking up to him, but it doesn't have any long-term... It's not a durable strategy.

The other thing I'll just say on that, Alistair, is to me, the more interesting reporting, which is not our specialty on these questions, would actually be inside on the Europe end and on the Canadian end where they're trying to grapple with how do we manage the United States?

What's our long-term strategy?

We have to manage these great powers, none of whom we can trust anymore.

We were covering it from inside the White House perspective.

And the amount of mental bandwidth that Mark Carney takes up is very small.

compared to Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China.

When you're doing a book that is compressed into 400 pages that covers the sweep of domestic and foreign policy, you have to make judgment calls.

We do write in the book about how in our judgment, we've moved from very clearly a post-World War II order to

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