Jonathan Swan
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118 appearances
2 recordings
1 series
first heard Jul 2026
last heard 12 Jul
Jonathan Swan’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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He was sort of absorbing.
He's like, Napoleon, very interesting, you know, da-da-da-da.
But secondly, it helped explain something that we were puzzling over in our reporting, which was we've both noticed, Maggie and I, that this term, Trump is far less responsive to domestic politics than he was in the first term.
Like if there are bad poll numbers or some domestic political concern or people worried about the midterm elections, it's not that he's not at all concerned about it, but he is so far less concerned about it than he was in term one.
And when you understand it through the lens of I'm –
You know, I want to be Napoleon.
I'm being slightly glib saying that, but not really.
I want to be the capital G great man of history of our time.
I want to expand the American landmass.
make Venezuela into a 51st state with a pliant leader who's more like a governor, take their oil, reshape Iran, take Greenland, you know, whatever.
You start to understand why he's willing to roll the dice in the way that he's rolling the dice this term, which he certainly wasn't willing to do in the first term.
Pleasure.
When you understand it through the lens of, you know, I want to be Napoleon.
I'm being slightly glib saying that, but not really.
I want to be the capital G great man of history of our time.
I want to expand the American landmass, make Venezuela into a 51st state with a pliant leader who's more like a governor.
Take their oil, reshape Iran, take Greenland, you know, whatever.
you start to understand why he's willing to roll the dice in the way that he's rolling the dice this term, which he certainly wasn't willing to do in the first term.
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