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Jonathan V. Last

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

And so he's, you know, because the way things work is everybody gets right with the policy once Trump does the policy.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

And so what his role is here is to make clear to people

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

what he wants to do.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

And so this way he can try to make people like Tucker and others who might be skeptical about attacking Iran, try to get them to get their religion now, because he knows that once, you know, once he drops bombs, they'll, they'll get on side less or more, or they'll go quiet.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

One or the other.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

Do you think that's going to work in this one?

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

It depends.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

You can envision ways in which things go really pear-shaped and some of the more Israeli skeptic members of the MAGA right decide like, F this.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

Like, I'm just going to say this is bad.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

They have to go pretty pear-shaped, I think.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

You know, like it would have to involve the deaths of Americans.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

And they'd have to be like combat deaths.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

They couldn't be Iran launches a retaliatory strike in Qatar and somebody's killed on a base in Qatar.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

That would not be enough, I think.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

That wouldn't be enough, you don't think?

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

I think they could stomach that.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

They could just be like, well, it wasn't really a combat death.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

I mean, he didn't put boots on the ground in Iran.

The Bulwark Podcast
Jonathan V. Last: Trump's Decadence Is Rubbing off on Americans

They could talk themselves out of it.