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Jonathan V. Last

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2407 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

or to make the point about the thing that all my audience is going to like hearing and not the thing that they don't like hearing. And when enough people do that, it prevents you from correcting real mistakes in your own position, and then you lose, and then that feels a lot worse.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And I hope people learn the right lesson, which is like an open culture where people can actually identify mistakes on their side and say them without getting slammed by their own side and treated as the enemy is ultimately a healthier culture.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And I hope people learn the right lesson, which is like an open culture where people can actually identify mistakes on their side and say them without getting slammed by their own side and treated as the enemy is ultimately a healthier culture.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And I hope people learn the right lesson, which is like an open culture where people can actually identify mistakes on their side and say them without getting slammed by their own side and treated as the enemy is ultimately a healthier culture.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And within any organization, dissent within an organization is helpful, right? Like everybody's saying, yes, sir, Mr. CEO, sir, like is a path to Enron. Right. You know, you can just look at any organization, right? Like that's a healthy organizational culture aligned dissent. Also, why don't we give a quick shout out to some of our elders too?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And within any organization, dissent within an organization is helpful, right? Like everybody's saying, yes, sir, Mr. CEO, sir, like is a path to Enron. Right. You know, you can just look at any organization, right? Like that's a healthy organizational culture aligned dissent. Also, why don't we give a quick shout out to some of our elders too?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

And within any organization, dissent within an organization is helpful, right? Like everybody's saying, yes, sir, Mr. CEO, sir, like is a path to Enron. Right. You know, you can just look at any organization, right? Like that's a healthy organizational culture aligned dissent. Also, why don't we give a quick shout out to some of our elders too?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

There are, you know, benefits and threats to every situation. While as a public servant in a safe blue district, maybe it doesn't make sense for you to be 77 years old with health issues and running again. Maybe it's better for you to have a younger person replace you.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

There are, you know, benefits and threats to every situation. While as a public servant in a safe blue district, maybe it doesn't make sense for you to be 77 years old with health issues and running again. Maybe it's better for you to have a younger person replace you.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

There are, you know, benefits and threats to every situation. While as a public servant in a safe blue district, maybe it doesn't make sense for you to be 77 years old with health issues and running again. Maybe it's better for you to have a younger person replace you.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

In the pundit class, it seems like there was some value actually in being, you know, a semi-retired person because David Axelrod and James Carville and Bill Kristol They weren't worried about what people said about them. They're old and curmudgeonly. And they were able to actually say the truth. Yeah, right.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

In the pundit class, it seems like there was some value actually in being, you know, a semi-retired person because David Axelrod and James Carville and Bill Kristol They weren't worried about what people said about them. They're old and curmudgeonly. And they were able to actually say the truth. Yeah, right.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

In the pundit class, it seems like there was some value actually in being, you know, a semi-retired person because David Axelrod and James Carville and Bill Kristol They weren't worried about what people said about them. They're old and curmudgeonly. And they were able to actually say the truth. Yeah, right.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

That a lot of people who, you know, were maybe hoping that they could get invited to the 2025 White House Christmas party weren't. And so, you know, there's a role in life for everybody, I guess, is one lesson for this. Maybe no role for Mike Donilon and his $4 million payout that he got to fucking ruin the country. So, boots to you, Mike Donilon.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

That a lot of people who, you know, were maybe hoping that they could get invited to the 2025 White House Christmas party weren't. And so, you know, there's a role in life for everybody, I guess, is one lesson for this. Maybe no role for Mike Donilon and his $4 million payout that he got to fucking ruin the country. So, boots to you, Mike Donilon.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

That a lot of people who, you know, were maybe hoping that they could get invited to the 2025 White House Christmas party weren't. And so, you know, there's a role in life for everybody, I guess, is one lesson for this. Maybe no role for Mike Donilon and his $4 million payout that he got to fucking ruin the country. So, boots to you, Mike Donilon.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

One other quick thing on age, or I guess maybe it's more acuity. You wrote about this. There's this Fetterman saga. that I was like somewhat wrapped into just because I interviewed him and, and I was like, he is just not, not capable of doing these kinds of interviews. And I had to treat him with kid gloves.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

One other quick thing on age, or I guess maybe it's more acuity. You wrote about this. There's this Fetterman saga. that I was like somewhat wrapped into just because I interviewed him and, and I was like, he is just not, not capable of doing these kinds of interviews. And I had to treat him with kid gloves.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

One other quick thing on age, or I guess maybe it's more acuity. You wrote about this. There's this Fetterman saga. that I was like somewhat wrapped into just because I interviewed him and, and I was like, he is just not, not capable of doing these kinds of interviews. And I had to treat him with kid gloves.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1048: Jonathan Chait: House GOP Doesn't Care How Bad the Bill Is

I felt like, like some people, some listeners were like, why didn't you go harder at him on that? And I was like, Felt like arguing with a second grader. You know, I didn't want to be too mean. And so I said that after the interview. And that got included in this big, the first Ben Terrace article about Fetterman. And there's been this like backlash now.