Joost de Valk

There's more coming, but that's what we're building on the SaaS side.

So we're slowly transitioning a bit into SaaS.

No, it's closer to two, 300.

I would wish to say that that was a really conscious decision on all sides, but we basically just decided to introduce Freemium.

We didn't want to take any features out of the free plugin, so we added some features that we thought were useful.

We have a pretty strict rule within the company on everything that we think every side on the planet needs to do the basic works, we put into our free plugin.

And then stuff that saves you time, we put into the premium plugin.

So that is basically how we go by choosing what goes in where it's not necessarily optimizing for making more money, even though we're doing pretty well in that regard.

We're definitely not optimizing for that.

There's about 9 to 10 million sites.

Okay.

And there's a couple of hundred thousand on the paid one.

So there's a... Oh, that's it.

We don't have real numbers on that.

I wish we did.

It's hard for WordPress.org to track all that.

And...

But the difference probably, it's probably more like two to three users on average because there's a lot of sites that have like 30 or 40 users.

I mean, there are sites like thenextweb.com or microsoft.com that run our software where there's hundreds of people working on that site and it's only one site.

And then there's also a lot of sites that are single blogs by single people.