Jordan Harbinger

Yeah, that's right.

Sorry, I'm incredibly juvenile on this question.

I don't know what's wrong with me today.

You just one-upped me.

You three-upped me on that one.

Look, they have plenty of challenges here that, assuming they can't work on them or don't want to work on them, they're perfectly legitimate reasons to say, look, there's still tons of love here.

We're a team forever.

But I feel the definition of our relationship needs to change.

I agree with that.

And actually framing it around her orientation, this is the point.

The point is, are they really a true married couple?

The reasons almost don't even matter.

Well, as we keep talking about, our friend here is extraordinarily compassionate, kind, sensitive.

He doesn't want her to feel exposed, judged, blindsided, robbed of her dignity, as he put it.

All of which, again, very noble, beautiful, frankly.

If you're a lesbian and you need to come out to your husband, this is the dream husband to have to come out to, I would imagine.

But I'm also just appreciating...

how accommodating he is toward his wife and how she seems to be the opposite in a lot of ways, hard to locate, guarded, not always forthcoming, not always easy to help.

And I say that knowing she went to therapy and all that, which is excellent, but I think both are true.

And she has good reasons for that.