Jordan Harbinger

That's right.

No, I want to be clear, though, and that previous thing that I mentioned before, I'm not blaming him entirely.

It's possible that he, it's possible this was always these people's plan, or it occurred to them that they could do it and get away with it, or that they would have done it anyway somehow.

I mean, I'm not trying to say, like, this is your fault.

So there's that.

Yeah, look on the bright side.

You build businesses that people want to take from you.

Right, that's what's so complicated about all this, but I'm with you, Gabe.

We can't hear a story like this and not give him the gift of being like, hold up.

What these people did to you absolutely sucks.

They stole from you.

They blackmailed you.

They compromised you and your family.

And you were there too.

So if you really want to shift these dynamics, if you want to do everything you can to prevent this from happening again, then you have to work to widen the aperture here so you can appreciate your role in all this, whatever it might be.

Yeah, but it's also the only truly empowering stance here.

Look, only he can figure out if this is true.

He gets to decide which pieces of this problem he wants to own, but what this loss is teaching him, I think, why it might have had to happen in some sense is to A, force him to look at certain qualities of his, and B, push him to revisit his relationship with his story.

Easy for us to say over here without stolen businesses or criminal histories.

I mean, actually, I only have one stolen business, so I guess I know whereof I speak on that front to some degree, but no felonies in my past.